Madeleine suspect accused of lying in confrontation with family friends
Earlier this month doctors Russell O'Brien and Fiona Payne, along with another friend, Rachael Oldfield, flew to Portugal to be questioned. The meeting was arranged after members of Kate and Gerry McCanns' holiday party expressed doubts over the ex-pat's alibi.
As part of the process in Portugal, witnesses can challenge a suspect when there is doubt in the statements.
The friends claim they saw Murat, 33, on the night of 3 May when the four-year-old was snatched from her bed in the family's holiday apartment in Praia de Luz, Portugal. The three key witnesses in the case are certain they recognise the suspect because of his distinctive lazy right eye caused by a detached retina. One claims to have spotted Murat peeking into the McCann's apartment that night - which could destroy his alibi for the 3 May. Murat insists he was dining with his mother before going to bed early.
Mr Murat's spokeperson, Tuck Price, says: "Robert found it traumatic. He could not understand how these people could sit there and accuse him of lying. "It all seemed to revolve around them recognising his dodgy eye. "It was dark. How could they have seen? Besides that, he was not there anyway."
In a leaked police report, Dr Payne and Mrs Oldfield claim they saw Murat at the Ocean Club resort at around 11.45pm. Murat was spotted again - this time at 1am by Dr O'Brien.
Daily Mail, July 2007
Robert Murat sues McCann Friends
Robert Murat is going to prosecute two friends of the McCann couple for perjury in a confrontation ordered by the judge.
Francisco Pagarete, Murat's Lawyer, does not know the evidence that the English gave during the investigation. However, he was present at the confrontation that - months after Murat had been constituted as arguido - was done between his client, Rachel Oldfield and Fiona Payne. The lawyer guarantees to SOL: "They lied in front of us, with the clear intention of incriminating my client".
Pagarete explains that, as soon as the case ends being under the secrecy of justice, he is going to consult 12 thousand pages of the process to find other evidences: "According to what I read in SOL, it was a British journalist who did the first accusation to the English Police. I will check if that is in the process".
Sol, 26 July 2008
I wonder what was said during that confrontation and why did Robert Murat make the decision to sue only two of the McCanns' friends (Payne and Oldfield) instead of the three that were present? Did Dr O'Brien recant his accusations and indeed, could he be one of the friends who reportedly changed their statement? Is the case still going ahead? Questions, questions. Dr O'Brien has kept a low profile since - he was the only member of the group of friends not present on the High Court steps when the group accepted the out of court settlement from a number of newspaper groups. His partner, Jane Tanner appeared in the McCann documentary alone.
In an interview Flash magazine conducted with Susan Healy, a source claimed...
At most the house in Rothley is visited by close family and three others of the group of seven friends who were with them in the Algarve when Maddie disappeared, that is David and Fiona Payne and Jane Tanner, as they are connected with them.Conspicuous by his absence... just where is the good doctor?
Oh you do blog away!! Nothing better to do perhaps than bring this couple down.
ReplyDeleteAnd it is wrong to talk about Dr Payne the way people do, because of the Gaspar's! Shameful!
every one is entitled to an opinion whether you like it or not,i think you are on the wrong blog
DeleteWhat is the Gaspars? Should I google that?
ReplyDeleteYes, but read it and take on board this is one woman's opinion of what was being said 2 years previous (2005) on a holiday with the group. Also take on board her husband's statement....he is obviously not happy about supporting his wife is he?
DeleteIf there had been anything really untoward I think Katherina would have made more of a noise on her return to UK as she was a doctor too. But she didn't!
mrs gaspar is a very brave woman, just wish the tapas women were more forthcoming with the truth
DeleteGoogle Gaspar's Statement!
ReplyDeleteGoogle Gaspar Statements all you like and all you will see is a woman doctor who went on holiday with the group a couple of years previous to Madeleine's abduction who thought she saw and heard something a bit dubious from Dr ayne to Gerry. It is all very vague even to her and more so to her husband who also had to give a statement.
DeleteFrom this has sprung countless rumours regarding Dr Payne being a paedophile and being on the child safety register....ROT! A whole load of lies which has been added to by another very dubious woman child welfare worker who thought she might have had dealings with Dr Payne a few years previous also. But unsubstantiated and there was no such case file on him nor on Gerry Mccann.
This is what we call Chinese Whispers folks. This mob are all adding their own little bit of spice to the story and before you know it they are, in their own sick heads, believing it. Criminal in itself!
and you know that mrs gaspar lied,please share with us how you know this,sorry your post doesnt wash,mrs gasper gave a statement to the police about payne and gerry mccann,why would she do that if she didnt see and hear anything,why would she lie,what had she to gain,sweet FA.Mrs gaspar was telling the truth.
DeleteI think the most compelling thing in Mrs Gaspar's statement is the first thing that came to mind when she discovered Madeleine had disappeared - was *he* on that holiday with her. Very strange and something which the Portuguese should have been notified of immediately. Not six months later.
DeleteAnd I agree with the poster who has said that Mrs Gaspar is a brave woman to be able to speak out about suspicions. We the public cannot just sit back and assume she was over reacting or making things up. We are not in the position to do so.
According to the anonymous poster above, there appear to be a lot of "dubious" people about. That I would agree with, but in a different context. I would rather believe these dubious professionals who have given official statements to the police than an anonymous poster making unsubstantiated claims in the blogosphere.
I'd also like to know how the poster KNOWS there is no such case file?
If Katherina Gaspar had truly felt there wass something seriously wrong then she should have reported it to the police as soon as she got home and she didn't and remember please that she is or was a doctor so had the know how and authority to take it further. Very wrong of her not to have done so then I feel?
DeleteIt has been publicised on the internet quite well that this has since been checked out and neither Dr Payne nor Gerry McCann have files open about them. That should be proof enough.
Really all it takes is researching the story in a sensible and logical manner.
Unfortunately for the victims, this type of thing is taboo. I'm sure she has regrets and wishes she had initially reported it.
DeleteAnd we wonder how Jimmy Saville etc got away with child abuse over many decades.There are people here who rubbish a statement given to Police in U.K.,which wasn't passed on to Portuguese Police for some months.A statement that was brave to make by a person concerned about possible child abuse.Perhaps when Dr.Gasper was on holiday with those people she wasn't sure as others there didn't blink an eye over the remarks/actions.She did make sure her children were never bathed in front of the men and obviously became alarmed when Madeleine went 'missing'.Of course she must have regrets that she didn't report it at the time of that previous holiday... but look what happened..or didn't happen when she did!
DeleteI feel for the Tapasniks, sometimes. But not often. They've had FIVE years to stop this madness. I've read the rogatory interviews and they're painful . A twelve year old could work out that some huge porkies have been told. They should all get back to Portugal and finally attempt a reconstruction of that fateful evening, for their own children's sake. Unless they all plan on either keeping their offspring illiterate or they manage to wipe the evidence. Which is highly unlikely. God bless the internet.
ReplyDeleteAbsolute tosh and bunkum! A reconstruction would do absolutely no good 5 years down the line and should have been done immediately when the McCanns requested it be done and Amaral refused it.
ReplyDeleteCan I ask you...what were you doing that night in May 2007....can you remember? I hazard a guess if I asked you what you were doing at any given time a year ago on that date you could not tell me. Here I refer to other tourists in the area at the time who would have to be called upon to help.
As for the Tapas group. As far as I can see they reported in statements as much as they could . A lot has been lost in translation also...please remember this.
yes but the mccanns and tapas have thier statements to fall back on and 2 timelines,any way who could forget the most horrendous day like that when a child was (so called) abducted.
DeleteThey did make statements in the same way any one of us would make a statement if we were involved in something like this, but with making those statements there will be inconsistencies...it is a matter of fact.
DeleteI was referring to a reconstruction at the time and saying in order to do one then all the tourists in PdL at that time would have to be called on too, surely? They will not know for certain and to the exact moment, what they were doing that day in PdL. Witnesses (other than the Tapas9) at the time could not get timing exact as we have seen. It is human nature and the frailties of being a human being.
You only need the mccanns and tapas friends and jeremy,for a reconstruction,as the abduction revolves around whst they said at the time .
DeleteOh for goodness sake. Do you lot never stop harping about this damn reconstruction.
ReplyDeleteFor starters the police wanted a minute by minute reconstruction to try and nail the perpetrator but were put off out of upsetting the parents.
The McCanns did want a reconstruction but not the same kind as the police. They wanted a televised one like Crimewatch and actors to play the part of the group.
This is not the same thing, totally different.
If only the police had put their foot down from day one this case might have been solved long ago.
Tosh and bunkum? I'm sure the majority of people in that area will have a very good recollection of what they were doing the night that Madeleine McCann disappeared.
"A reconstruction would do absolutely no good 5 years down the line?" You should be telling that to Andy Redwood then!
Andy Redwood wants a reopening of the case. A reconstruction will prove nothing 5 years down the line and that is a fact.
DeleteFive years down the line, Andy Redwood is basing his theory of abduction solely on the analysis of the forensic timeline. So, five years down the line, Andy Redwood has done a done a virtual reconstruction. I'm sure he'd come to a different conclusion if he carried out the real thing with all involved.
DeleteThe PJ would not allow the reconstruction at the very beginning because they were worried by the effects on tourism nothing to do with upsetting the Mccanns.
Delete@Apr 29, 2012 10:43 AM
Deletei think you need to read up on what sort of reconstruction the mccanns wanted
Dont you just love the no brainer stupidity of a pro?
ReplyDeleteThis blog is about O'Brien. Nothing whatsoever mentioned about Payne. Yet a pro brings up the Gaspar statements.
Simple is as simple does. Or is that the idea to deflect from O'Brien?
I realise it is about Dr Oldfield but does it matter? The fact is you are all so eager to find these people guilty and I am here pointing out where you are all so very sadly going wrong with your idiotic assumptions.
ReplyDeleteMaybe Dr Oldfield was ill or out of the country working. We will not be privvy to their whereabouts will we?
you pro,s keep on pointing out how we on this blog are wrong ,but can any of you back up what you say with evidence.
DeleteI find it inconceivable that mr and mrs mccann would hurt their child,(although i am only a little way through the files as yet)so i am so pleased that they and the tapas friends want a reconstruction with the pj and sy, to show that they had nothing to do with an abduction,BRAVO mr and mrs mccann,but you need to keep pushing or better still you could ask david cameron or get him to ask mr Pedro Passos Coelho seeing as they know one another.
ReplyDelete"Maybe Dr Oldfield was ill or out of the country working. We will not be privvy to their whereabouts will we?" Anon Apr 29, 2012 10:29 AM
ReplyDeleteNothing privy about that, he could simply say that he was ill or out of the country working. By the way, there were rumours those days that O’Brien was overstrained. Where do rumours come from?
Well, at least we know that Kate couldn’t make love to Gerry, not to mention all her other thoughts and feelings. Talking of privy!
I truly hope this little girl is found alive and well, however, after the details of how she would be easily identified through her eye were made public, I think whoever took her would have got rid of her and put her body in the sea. The identification details should never have been given out to the public.
ReplyDeleteI'm interested to know what everyone's opinions are now, following the latest 'developments' as reported on last night's Crimewatch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WyJwns_MTok
ReplyDeleteDoes anyone else think that the e-fit of the latest suspect, shown in last night's Crimewatch (15/10/13), bears a striking similarity to Russell O'Brien?
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